Sheila Wray Gregoire
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Breaking Away from Christian Patriarchy (feat. Cait West) plus Why People Deconstruct
Episode 240: What happens when your family gets sucked into fundamentalism, and your father insists on controlling your life, including who you will marry? You grow up under Christian patriarchy, and you experience serious emotional abuse. Today Cait West joins us to talk about her absolutely beautiful memoir Rift, about how and why she had to break free. Then Keith and I talk about why people are deconstructing, and why it’s so desperately important to listen to stories like Cait’s.
ABOUT CAIT WEST:
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THINGS MENTIONED IN THE PODCAST:
Our book She Deserves Better: amzn.to/4eCPOYT
The Great Sex Rescue Toolkit to help people understand why certain teachings hurt people
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Our post on 8 things to know about deconstruction: baremarriage.com/2024/06/8-things-to-know-about-religious-deconstruction-and-exvangelicals/
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Who Are The Exvangelicals with Sarah McCammon
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People who deconstruct are often accused of never believing in the first place, or of just wanting to sin. But those who deconstruct are often those who have been hurt the most by toxic teachings. Today Sarah McCammon joins us to talk about who are “ex-vangelicals”, and her own story of deconstruction. And then Keith and I talk about what it means to create a safe and just community that honors...
The Problems with the Book Lies Young Women Believe
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Why is a frequenty-used book in teen girls' Bible studies focusing on Satan and not Jesus? Episode 238 of the Bare Marriage podcast is a deep dive into the book Lies Young Women Believe by Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth and Dannah Gresh. Let's see what is being taught to teen girls and why it's so problematic. We can do better, church! Get our Downloadable One Sheet of the problems with the book Lies Y...
Do We Need to Frame Dads as Heroes?
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It's episode 237 of the Bare Marriage podcast! Every Father’s Day, there’s a rallying cry in many conservative evangelical spaces that men are losing out and fathers are under attack. Where’s the truth in this? And what are the problems with talking about marriage like this? Plus we rewrite Harrison Butker’s commencement speech! Thanks to our sponsor, the book The Sex Talk You Never Got by Sam ...
The Sex Talk You Never Got feat. Sam Jolman
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What if purity culture didn’t just steal sexual health from women, but stole it from men too? What does it mean for a man to have healthy sexuality? Today licensed counselor Sam Jolman joins us for The Sex Talk You Never Got. TO SUPPORT US: Join our Patreon for as little as $5 a month: patreon.com/baremarriage For tax deductible donations in the U.S., support Good Fruit Faith Initiative through...
Wolves, Chimpanzees, and Deer: Let's Dissect the Alpha Male Myth
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Evangelical conservatives too often portray masculinity as if men are supposed to be the “Alpha male”-aloof, emotionless, vying for control, and bullying. Today we look at how, even in nature, this concept of the Alpha Male has been overblown. And we present a better picture. TO SUPPORT US: Join our Patreon for as little as $5 a month to support our work patreon.com/baremarriage For tax deducti...
Pastors' Wives Spill the Tea on Church Life - Episode 234
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Church is messy. Friendships are hard to find. Life in a fishbowl is awkward. But what if…it’s worth it? Such a great convo with Stephanie, Jessica, and Jenna about their new book Pastors’ Wives Tell All! Whether you're a pastors' wife, or a female pastor yourself, living life in a fishbowl can be hard. We talk about parenting, marriage, and finding friends when you're in church ministry. TO SU...
The Backlash from Those Defending Purity Culture
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It's Bare Marriage episode 233! With the release of so many books critiquing purity culture, what has the backlash been like? Well, let’s talk about it with Zachary Wagner, the author of Non-Toxic Masculinity as we celebrate the one-year anniversary of the launch of She Deserves Better. TO SUPPORT US: Join our Patreon for as little as $5 a month to support our work patreon.com/baremarriage For ...
When Submission "Cults" Groom for Abuse--One Woman's Story
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We've got such a compelling interview with Lauren Rose from Called to Peace Ministries. She's telling her story and it's a mesmerizing one of what happened as her family got more and more into the Bill Gothard movement (and she was eventually one of the ones he allegedly abused, and was part of the lawsuit). But when you grow up feeling like your main role is to submit, are you even able to rec...
Are We Saying that Wives Don't Have to Make Love?
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Episode 231 of the Bare Marriage Podcast! When we talk about how God made sex to be mutual, intimate, and pleasurable for both, and how, if women don't want sex, the answer is to figure out why, we invariably get people saying, "so you think women don't have to have sex then?" Today on the podcast we look at the 90% problem vs. the 10% problem. In 90% of cases where women don't want sex, there'...
Why Evangelical Honeymoons Go So Wrong
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Why Evangelical Honeymoons Go So Wrong
A Victim Centered Approach to Forgiveness After Trauma
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A Victim Centered Approach to Forgiveness After Trauma
How Our Stories Influence Our Choices with Natalie Hoffman--Bare Marriage 228
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How Our Stories Influence Our Choices with Natalie Hoffman Bare Marriage 228
Are We Creating a Strawman out of Complementarianism? We Respond to Critics Episode 227
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Are We Creating a Strawman out of Complementarianism? We Respond to Critics Episode 227
What We've Learned as The Great Sex Rescue Turns 3!
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What We've Learned as The Great Sex Rescue Turns 3!
Do You Even Want This Kind of Marriage? - Episode 225
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Do You Even Want This Kind of Marriage? - Episode 225
Lies Women Believe Part 2: Is God a Monster? - Episode 224
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Lies Women Believe Part 2: Is God a Monster? - Episode 224
The Problems with Lies Women Believe by Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth - Episode 223
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The Problems with Lies Women Believe by Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth - Episode 223
How Sex Is Like Chef Boyardee-and Other New Research Findings! -Episode 222
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How Sex Is Like Chef Boyardee-and Other New Research Findings! -Episode 222
Let Men Be Dads! Why Do So Many Evangelical Resources Portray Men as Pathetic Dads? - Episode 221
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Let Men Be Dads! Why Do So Many Evangelical Resources Portray Men as Pathetic Dads? - Episode 221
Why is Emerson Eggerichs Afraid of Women Talking? A Deep Dive into Love & Respect - Episode 220
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Why is Emerson Eggerichs Afraid of Women Talking? A Deep Dive into Love & Respect - Episode 220
Let Men be Men - Because We Believe Men are Great! - Episode 219
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Let Men be Men - Because We Believe Men are Great! - Episode 219
Let’s Pivot to Healthy Churches feat. Scot McKnight & Laura Barringer - Episode 218
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Let’s Pivot to Healthy Churches feat. Scot McKnight & Laura Barringer - Episode 218
When Religion Hurts You feat. Laura Anderson - Episode 217
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When Religion Hurts You feat. Laura Anderson - Episode 217
Perceived Autonomy vs. Actual Autonomy: It’s Okay to Say No to Controlling Church Spaces - Ep 216
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Perceived Autonomy vs. Actual Autonomy: It’s Okay to Say No to Controlling Church Spaces - Ep 216
A Jesus-Centered Faith vs. Nationalism feat. Andrew Whitehead - Episode 215
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A Jesus-Centered Faith vs. Nationalism feat. Andrew Whitehead - Episode 215
What if Momma Ain’t Happy? Why It’s Okay to Sweat the Small Stuff - Episode 214
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What if Momma Ain’t Happy? Why It’s Okay to Sweat the Small Stuff - Episode 214
Stained Glass Ceilings: How the church does gender ft. Lisa Swartz
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Stained Glass Ceilings: How the church does gender ft. Lisa Swartz
Do Women Really Initiate 70% of Divorces for Frivolous Reasons? - Episode 212
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Do Women Really Initiate 70% of Divorces for Frivolous Reasons? - Episode 212
Bullied for Leaving an Abusive Husband ft. Naghmeh Panahi - Episode 211
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Bullied for Leaving an Abusive Husband ft. Naghmeh Panahi - Episode 211

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @gilbertamayo8607
    @gilbertamayo8607 День тому

    Such a heartbreaking personal testimony; I was wishing for a happy ending, unfortunately it is the case here which makes me want to leave a comment that will guide you the healing and restoration that you deserve. Any abuse suffered, especially in your childhood years can mark your life forever. Unfortunately, most wounds are inflicted by the people who are the closest to us. The emotional wounds and trauma that you have shared can hurt even more than physical wounds. You didn’t choose the family you were born in to. God establishes our entire life. Today you have to understand that God, in Christ has given you the ability to overcome the difficult moments that you have lived with your father. The word of God teaches that rejection is the source of most wounds inflicted in the heart. Its origin are from (1) lack of love ; ideally, every child would like to have parents who accepts him/her.(2) lack of acceptance; Joseph, one of Jacob’s sons in the Bible was rejected by his own brothers and he suffered more things as a result. But he kept his heart pure because he understood that God had allowed everything that happened in his life in order to take him to a greater blessing. As you have gone through moments of suffering and great pain in your life, my advice for you is to remain faithful to God and forgive your father who have hurt you. In God’s perfect timing, he will bless you, raise you up and He will shame your adversaries. It is obvious that your father was not the best role model in your life but do not let his example affect the image of Christ in your life. God love you so much. He is the father that will never reject you, never abandon you and he will never forget about you! Jesus suffered and was rejected through out His whole life because of His great love for you. My wife was rejected by his dad and played no role in her life. When I met her in 1998, during marriage counseling, my pastor requested i seek the father permission before marriage. Because of that, she reluctantly reached out to him and we got his blessings.Today we are happily married for 25 years with 2 boys to the glory of God. At the time her mother protested, saying the man was never a good role model for her, but I am glad my wife listened and obeyed God to forgive him. Today, he is no longer alive, but my wife is free from that pain. Forgiveness is something that we do for ourself not for the person who have harmed us. I pray that God will heal you and restore you completely in Jesus name.

  • @EnemyAce88
    @EnemyAce88 День тому

    At least he has a sex life to get bored with. Boredom would be an upgrade over the "I'm too tired" and "I just don't feel like it" that I get all the time.

  • @alisonbell1481
    @alisonbell1481 2 дні тому

    Keith, you made me tear up at work today. The power and emotion you expressed telling men that a wife like that is not a "gold mine" but a God-given job to help her heal overwhelmed me. Both joy and sadness, to hear the truth expressed so simply and to be reminded of how basely i was treated by my ex husband. Thank you all for all the work you do.

  • @Star-dj1kw
    @Star-dj1kw 2 дні тому

    ❤ excellent

  • @charles5272
    @charles5272 2 дні тому

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  • @Star-dj1kw
    @Star-dj1kw 3 дні тому

    Restart 26:58

  • @julianderson8708
    @julianderson8708 3 дні тому

    My family was also involved with Vision Forum and my ex husband was a pastor of a family integrated church. It’s a very dangerous situation for people married to narcissistic and unstable partners and their children. I’m now a single mom with 6 of my 10 children still at home.

  • @TheEllaTB
    @TheEllaTB 3 дні тому

    No one deconstructs from the grace of God!🤦‍♀️ they are deconstructing from abuse, control and being victimized by other's sin!

  • @daporawski
    @daporawski 3 дні тому

    I made sure to get and read Rift to get ready for this podcast!

  • @debras3806
    @debras3806 3 дні тому

    51:00

  • @TeachoutSandra
    @TeachoutSandra 3 дні тому

    What a jerk and very creepy thing to say that it’s HIS wedding night right off the bat. That’s where he lost me. All downhill from there. So disillusioned with pastors that call themselves pastors. He’s NOT a true pastor. He just wants laughs and to be popular.

  • @sarahusrey-ld4zu
    @sarahusrey-ld4zu 4 дні тому

    :)

  • @sarahusrey-ld4zu
    @sarahusrey-ld4zu 4 дні тому

    :)

  • @rivendells_shona
    @rivendells_shona 4 дні тому

    41:00 Not even “watching a s*x scene,” but “watching a movie that has a s*x scene in it”. … … … So if we made movies that were faithful adaptations of the Bible, Christians couldn’t watch them. Because of the scenes that would be IN them (even if due to our personal preferences or sensitivities we opted out of viewing those scenes). *snickers*

  • @Collidedatoms
    @Collidedatoms 4 дні тому

    And this is why feminists get so much deserved heat from men and Christians: "'Men are simpletons' is a misogynistic trope." Nevermind the misandry, it's misogynist!!!!!!! I don't need this sort of negativity. I don't need this sort of misandry in my life. You need to talk to an anti-feminist for an hour and NOT call him a misogynist or accuse him of rape apology. Maybe then you'll learn something - like that from puberty onward our sex drives are cyclical and come in waves where the longer it's been since our last orgasm the more easily we become aroused and the more driven we become to look for a partner. I'm all for opposing purity culture because we've got it really wrong in the church and I agree we need to be much more specific and nuanced in how we describe lust, but you lose me when you say such invalidating and misandric things. I'm unsubscribing. I don't need your shaming and verbal cudgels in my spirit. This is why the church opposes woke. Because it's feminism only instead of sex it's race or gender identity or sexual orientation or whatever intersectional category you want to fill in there. The stuff you're saying is hurtful and poisonous.

  • @radanv2535
    @radanv2535 5 днів тому

    I don't see how this video is helping P&M but ok, we're online, reaction is fair play and I understand you did reach out. I hear a lot of body language talk - I hear little talking about what P&M actually discuss. And sometimes you pretty much agree with them on the topic. The aim of the analysis is well meant, the delivery feels entitled, and even sprinkled with caveats. And of course we can talk about this only because P&M shared their *emotions* and *experiences* in the first place. Online community is a tricky tech business. Only we can make it more human. Disclosure: I only watched a few P&M videos and I have my reservations too, even with the kiss.

  • @user-bn7bk5mw4s
    @user-bn7bk5mw4s 5 днів тому

    I was a child with Barbies in late 70s to early 80s. I never pretended they were simply Barbie. They all were different characters to me in different stories i came up with. I had only 3 or 4 Kens and had to use them over and over. I never looked at blonde Barbie and wished with my dark hair that i was her. Nor did i worry about her chest and i too had the growing breasts skipper😂

  • @lisafarmen9367
    @lisafarmen9367 5 днів тому

    Hi Shelia. This is the first video I've watched. I actually found you on line searching for if your husband is stonewalling and or gaslighting you..from a biblical prospective. Yours was like the BEST article on it..I'm still not finished it. So I went to search you on youtube..I'm trying to search and find; but do you have any podcasts on the subject? As the obvious I guess my husband has been stonewalling me for 30 plus years..and I think lately gaslighting me. We've been married for 32 years, and if I stop being in denial, the majority we've been in conflict and I've cried more tears over these years that I can't even believe I can produce anymore..lol. I have to keep some sense of humor. Again if you have any podcasts on this type of podcasts if you can please point me in the right direction..I'm contemplating at this very moment separting and moving out..but money is really tight at the moment. So if I have to stay for now, I have no idea how to live under the same roof like that. Because he will start being super "normal" being nice, etc. Then I won't go..then it'll be like 6 more days and the cycle will repeat itself. Sorry that this was long and all over the place..I'm just not in a good place at the moment. .thank you for reading, and going to finish your podcast now ..lisa

  • @janewhitely964
    @janewhitely964 6 днів тому

    There is a saying: “power corrupts; absolute power corrupt absolutely.”

  • @hedgemist691
    @hedgemist691 6 днів тому

    Don't think she'd be telling her current blog readers to '...just jump him...' It's a lot more complicated than that isn't it Sheila.

  • @Himmiefan
    @Himmiefan 7 днів тому

    I too was traumatized by a conservative church (Presbyterian Church of America) that oh-so-conveniently forgot Ephesians 5:21 and went right to 5:22, wives submit, and man is the head. To them, this was all about control and authority, and the fact that Christ didn't talk about this didn't matter because, you know, Paul! Anyway, 16-year old me knew this wasn't right. Through God's grace, I found egalitarian sources, and they helped immensely, so it pains me to see women still in spiritual bondage. Recently, a secular video helped me understand more about submission and leadership. It explained how women (in general) receive and support while good men are designed to carry out acts of service to help others, and they gain pleasure from this. So, under the umbrella of equality (mutual submission as commanded in 5:21), wives receive and support while husbands carry out acts of service as Christ cares for the church. There's no hierarchy, no who make decisions, etc. It's just an example of Christ's command to love one another because everything has to go back to Christ's teachings. Husbands and wives are like a salt and pepper shaker set: one is not over the other, each is different and good on their own, but they're best when used together.

  • @TheEllaTB
    @TheEllaTB 7 днів тому

    I spoke up and he snapped at me. When I confronted him about how hurtful it was, he walked away laughing. Now he's the poor hurt puppy because I filed for divorce. I tried for over a decade to make it work

  • @xbemos
    @xbemos 8 днів тому

    *shrug* you can still separate and should if unsafe. And obviously there’s are a small percentage of people who are in actually life or death situations and that’s clearly not what this book is addressing. It’s addressing a general population. But divorce is not an option. Get it out of your head. Both husband and wife of you. Then the real marriage begins. You know you both are stuck w no other options but to focus and figure life out. It is good to hear another side to this argument though from you ladies.

  • @kimberlybega8271
    @kimberlybega8271 8 днів тому

    I wonder if the husband making the tweet understands that leaving a baby in a dirty diaper for too long can actually hurt the baby's health?? I am glad society as a whole seems to be changing and encouraging men to be more involved as dads. I am also very thankful my husband and I are equal partners and I have faith he will be a good dad when we reach that chapter of our lives, based on how I've seen him with our nephew and friends' kids. Yay for good men!

  • @user-bn7bk5mw4s
    @user-bn7bk5mw4s 8 днів тому

    Myth of the magic penis😂😂😂😂

  • @user-bn7bk5mw4s
    @user-bn7bk5mw4s 8 днів тому

    Paul and Morgan are children. Absolute babies. Them giving marriage advice is like toddlers giving tax advice

  • @user-gf9sm7oc6k
    @user-gf9sm7oc6k 9 днів тому

    Keith, what is the location of righteousness like a rolling river. I love justice making things right.

  • @michaeldunigan1067
    @michaeldunigan1067 9 днів тому

    Justice is the joy set before Him that allows Him to despise the shame and bear the pain.

  • @EnemyAce88
    @EnemyAce88 9 днів тому

    My wife is never too tired for her job or her phone or anything else. But as soon as I show any interest in sex, she's instantly exhausted and just can't bring herself to even try.

  • @gilbertamayo8607
    @gilbertamayo8607 9 днів тому

    I don’t see anything wrong with the comment “I pray she let go of bitterness “ No matter what has been committed against her, she has to let go of bitterness before she can be restored. This is nothing to do with evangelicals; it is the word of God that says so.

    • @brighidmcmullen9577
      @brighidmcmullen9577 9 днів тому

      I think it depends on when this is said and the attitude from which it is given. If someone close to you confides to you a deep, recent hurt inflicted by another person, and this is your response, it will be taken as invalidating. Also, wounds, especially ones given time and care, heal. Words like this tend to be salt rubbed harshly into still open, bleeding hurts and reopen them so the scars go deeper and the risk of infection (bitterness) runs higher. It doesn't remove the knife of betrayal, only twists it and embeds it further in. Compassion and love bind wounds and ease the sting that leads to bitterness. I understand that we want to say phrases like this because it seems like an easy fix to impossible problems. But when someone has a broken leg we do not tell them to "walk it off." we call 911. We hold their hand and tell them that they are being brave despite the fact that they have screamed and cried in pain. The bone mends on its own in time, so do wounded hearts. We just need to love on them while the Great Physician goes to work and does the healing. This is, I believe, the true calling of Christians. If he is the Great Physician, we are his nurses.

    • @SheilaWrayGregoire
      @SheilaWrayGregoire 9 днів тому

      Gilbert, the thing is that to assume that the way that this woman heals is to let go of bitterness is to not understand the nature of trauma and PTSD. It's not about bitterness; it's about trauma. In addition, the first concern when you hear your pastor sexually assaulted a child over 100 times for 4 years should not be "wow, I hope she forgives", but rather "wow, I hope the church helps her get counseling and provides her with support and that she knows that she is cared for and loved." The fact that our go-to response is to hope she doesn't get bitter shows we have no idea of either healing or community.

    • @andrearush6209
      @andrearush6209 5 днів тому

      🎯​@@SheilaWrayGregoire

  • @Jett-mf2dw
    @Jett-mf2dw 9 днів тому

    Make him stop! His speech sucks!! Puke

  • @helenr4300
    @helenr4300 9 днів тому

    Great interview with Sarah. Also loved the thirst for righteousness vs justice. We can make faith and salvation very personal, whilst missing the call to community justice. This leads to shame and condemnation for an individual seeking an abortion whilst refusing to consider proven evidence of abortion levels falling when clear sex ed inc consent and relationships ; and good access to contraception for all ages. Heck the financial impact in US of continuing a pregnancy, regardless of the 'extra mouth to feed' is just another pressure when dealing with unwanted pregnancy. But the focus is on individual sin, not the systemic issues that create situations where people are desperate. Understanding it as justice (a community level matter) rather than righteousness (which can so easily be made personal and spiritual)

    • @rivendells_shona
      @rivendells_shona 9 днів тому

      I think the underlying aspect of abortion specifically is that we have no “proof” (one way or another-be it Biblical or not) of when a human embryo becomes “souled”. Once a human is souled/sentient, most people agree that killing it outside extreme necessity (to save one’s own life or the life of another) is murder. Pro-choice people choose to *believe* that a fetus has no soul/sentience until birth. (Actually, there seems to be a spectrum of belief when sentience begins among pro-choicers, ranging from 2nd trimester to birth.). Pro-choicers therefore have a foundational argument that abortion is not murder (at least, depending on stage of development). Pro-life people choose to *believe* that human embryos are souled from conception. Pro-lifers therefore believe abortion is murder across the board. I think this is why the line between justice and righteousness is murkey where abortion is concerned. If the pro-choices are correct, then it is about personal righteousness. If the pro-lifers are correct, it is a matter of justice for the most vulnerable. (I do wish more pro-lifers would acknowledge that those who are pregnant are also very vulnerable.) I do wish we had a hard answer on when the soul is imbued. Sadly, without that answer, we’re all stumbling along trying to formulate our foundational beliefs based on what do know (or we think we know).

    • @rivendells_shona
      @rivendells_shona 8 днів тому

      So I tried to reply yesterday but the YT censorship bots didn’t like my use of legal terms and hid my reply. This is very frustrating as it inhibits constructive discourse. But I will say this: while I agree that justice (public) vs righteousness (personal) are matters we need to unpack within the church, I believe the crux of the ab0rtion debate boils down to *two* beliefs: one side believes sentience (soul) is imbued at conception; the other side debates when sentience is imbued (there is a spectrum of belief on this side ranging from second trimester to after birth). Unfortunately, it is impossible to prove *either* side correct-scientifically *or* Biblically … though both insist their side is proved by “facts”, when in reality both sides are supported by biased interpretation of limited evidence-something that makes people very uncomfortable. I don’t think we can be intellectually honest and say “I believe X to be true in a life-or-death circumstance, but if you don’t that’s fine by me” and also claim to love that person. Love and indifference cannot abide in the same house. However, love IS self-sacrificial and acknowledges that it cannot control the other. Basically, two things can be true at once. My personal belief is that ab0rtion is a morally complicated issue: I believe all life is deliberately created by God (yes, all life-not just human). I believe all humans at least are souled… and I also believe that at times ab0rtion is necessary to save the mother or even provide the only good outcome for her and the children (if any) she’s already had, because we live in a broken world. I also believe the life sacrificed for her survival needs to be acknowledged as a tragic loss, not some “clump of cells” that has zero inherent value. Obviously this is a very uncomfortable place to operate within, regardless of whether or not the person considering it is pro-life or pro-choice. With classic pro-lifers, I often point out that innocent casualties are a hard reality of the “just” w@rs they support, too.

    • @helenr4300
      @helenr4300 8 днів тому

      @@rivendells_shona how do you explain the massive percentage of fertilised eggs that never implant, or in the wrong place (ectopic - where embyro cannot survive and without intervention neither will mother). And then there are the post implantation totally natural miscarriages. (and how women in abortion banned etc areas fear being accused of trying to deliberately cause what had happened spontaneously) If the joining of sperm and egg is the start of a soul then a huge percentage of God created souls are lost long before even an electrical trace of life. I agree that no one can prove when sentience begins. The Jewish (OT) view was linked to the first breath. Linking to creation stories and other images of God breathing life into what was created from the dust /earth etc. NT we have John the Baptist leaping in Elizabeth's womb when Mary visits. So there has been a tradition of soul coming with the 'quickening' ie when fist feel fetus moving, kicking etc. Whatever the point of ensoulment is, the best way to reduce abortion is to reduce unwanted pregnancies. And there is evidence what would achieve that. But pro life leadership does not want to look at those options that are about community, support for policies that enable living wages, cover birth related medical care, medical care for children with disabilities so that parents given a hard prenatal diagnosis have options. Availability of contraceptives and family planning. Decent sex ed that includes understanding consent and boundaries, what is a healthy relationship etc as well as safe sex and the plumbing. Rather than lack of information and shame. If pro life campaigns supported these things then I might believe that they really meant pro life rather than pro birth.

  • @micahbush5397
    @micahbush5397 10 днів тому

    48:40 This explains so much. Evangelicals in the U.S. decry liberation theology as "Marxist" because their Bible translations lend themselves to an individualistic reading, but in Latin America, the heart of Christ for social justice is more easily seen in their translations of Scripture.

  • @carlamariee1
    @carlamariee1 10 днів тому

    Dr. Ramini has some excellent videos on UA-cam about healing from betrayal. The common lack of justice is documented as an impediment to healing and forgiveness. Our churches demand forgiveness without justice. It is a secondary trauma.

  • @Maxandshe
    @Maxandshe 10 днів тому

    This aspect of Christian marriage is not taught in UK, maybe in a couple of cases. It's something sown by American churches and the Muslim religion 🙁

  • @Maxandshe
    @Maxandshe 10 днів тому

    John Piper is out of his tiny mind!!!

  • @user-bn7bk5mw4s
    @user-bn7bk5mw4s 10 днів тому

    Well i started my period at ten and soon was mistaken for 14 and soon after 16. I was proud of my period even though i ended up with endometriosis. But i was constantly shamed for looking older and even called a whore for shorter dreses and gasp! Lipstick😮

  • @Lucyodonald
    @Lucyodonald 10 днів тому

    What a liberating message Sheila! Thank you for uncovering the truth about this awful book and articulating it so well! I myself was a victim of this book but so glad for people like you who have the discernment and teaching ability to help others get untangled from these beliefs. Also, this is an underrated UA-cam channel! Lets get Sheila to a million subs y'all!!!🎉🎉🎉

    • @poorrichlives3727
      @poorrichlives3727 9 днів тому

      She would get more subscribers if she would brought in her perspective a little bit.

  • @user-bn7bk5mw4s
    @user-bn7bk5mw4s 10 днів тому

    A man will come under satanic attack if he does not...??😂😂😂

  • @A100Aic
    @A100Aic 11 днів тому

    LMAO THIS TITTLE! You are supposed to masturbate! Thats why the clit is there!

  • @A100Aic
    @A100Aic 11 днів тому

    You should live with someone and KNOW them BEFORE getting the government involved in your relationship! ( getting married)

  • @A100Aic
    @A100Aic 11 днів тому

    It took this woman 3 years to have an orgasm- i aint listening to anything she says.

  • @GoodnessGraciousify
    @GoodnessGraciousify 11 днів тому

    I think we need to also critically assess the Calvinist/Reformed theology which John MacArthur has spread. Because it prizes the theology of God's sovereignty so much, many Calvinists believe evil and abuse is God's will for the victims. Calvinists twist the bible and God's design for humanity so much in order to make it make sense with predestination and God's sovereignty. Maybe Bare Marriage doesn't want to get into docrinal disputes, but I think it is critical to expose how harmful the Calvinist view of God is.

  • @ericad4569
    @ericad4569 11 днів тому

    Abusers like to isolate. Stay vigilant

  • @paintergrl12
    @paintergrl12 11 днів тому

    Sorry ladies, although I really, really enjoy this channel, you are mistaken on a very important point. From the website Encyclopedia Britannica " Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony refused to endorse the amendment and thereby cede suffrage to African American men before women, resorting to racist claims that those who are “educated”-essentially meaning white women-deserve enfranchisement first." Elizabeth Cady Stanton broke up a decades long friendship with Frederick Douglass over this point and I believe never spoke to him again. Also, if you look further into the suffrage movement, major feminists like Victoria Woodhull (who ran for president by the way in 1872) were arguing for entire reconfigurations of the family, including free love and communal parenting with a great lessening of the authority of the bio-parents. You make so many great points; I am sure that you would want to be accurate on these points as well.

  • @MightyTaco2
    @MightyTaco2 12 днів тому

    Women with the spirit of Jezebel take issue with God's design for marriage ... tisk tisk !!

    • @SheilaWrayGregoire
      @SheilaWrayGregoire 12 днів тому

      Thank you for proving my point about the misuses of the "spirit of Jezebel." this is a great example and I'll update my post with it.